Luke Pennell

[Adrian]

It's only theft because they picked up and kept the phone the bloke dropped when he ran off after the knife was pulled. They didn't use the knife to threaten him to get the phone - technicality.

If he'd given them the phone after being threatened, or they used force to take it, that would have been robbery.

Joint enterprise case was in relation murder.

So through the technicality of not using a weapon to rob someone he hasn't committed armed robbery.
I guess I'm goingto get away with dangerous driving on my way home today through the technicality of not driving dangerously.

[Adrian]

It's not armed robbery,it's theft. That's why it's described as theft multiple times.
Funny how you didn't have an issue when we signed a player that had just been found guilty.of assault last year.

What player ? I wouldn't be tolerant of that either. I'd have sacked Abu josh Scott Jamie guy Woodall partridge and labadie. Can't think who id excuse just cos they're a footballer. The game is full of wronguns and apologists like you. I'd sack them all.

Nosworthy.
Other than you saying footballers shouldn't be excused, has anyone on here ever suggested that they should be excused just because they're a footballer? I'm going to answer my own question and say, no, no-one has ever said that on here. It 's just one of those things you like to pretend is said.

[ARNU]

It's not armed robbery,it's theft. That's why it's described as theft multiple times.
Funny how you didn't have an issue when we signed a player that had just been found guilty.of assault last year.

What player ? I wouldn't be tolerant of that either. I'd have sacked Abu josh Scott Jamie guy Woodall partridge and labadie. Can't think who id excuse just cos they're a footballer. The game is full of wronguns and apologists like you. I'd sack them all.

Nosworthy.
Other than you saying footballers shouldn't be excused, has anyone on here ever suggested that they should be excused just because they're a footballer? I'm going to answer my own question and say, no, no-one has ever said that on here. It 's just one of those things you like to pretend is said.

Nobody has ever said it like that word for word Adrian,but people condone it and defend it and for me its the same thing.Re Josh Scott.....read the charges,the evidence and the outcome.You don't get bound over and pay a fine if you are without blame.Re Nosworthy I was truly unaware of any incidents,Im sure you are right and if so yes hes a wrongun as well.Merge...you've gone quiet by the way.

[Adrian]

Must agree with Arnu on one thing, there is a lot of hypocrisy about on here when these things are discussed. Steve Evans was found guilty of something and punished and rightly or wrongly returned to the game. People on here rightly or wrongly went on about if for years. Something like this happens and people say he deserves a second chance (rightly or wrongly). Interesting how people have a different view depending on how it effects them (or the Club).

And for the person who tried to excuse the fact that they didn't take the phone the bloke dropped it etc, is it right that our players keep the company of people who carry a knife with them on a night out to the casino??

Sorry, but the comparison to Steve Evans are at best ludicrous, and at worst just plain stupid.
A lot of what was said about him was because of the impact it had on this club. His crime was also directly related to football. In most professions if you committed a crime while carrying out your profession, you'd not be allowed to continue in that profession.

On your last point the person carrying the knife wasn't at the casino.

It seems to me that a lot of conclusions have been jumped to from what isn't that much information.
The victim was driven somewhere, but was it with the intention of robbing him?
Did the victim get into the car through choice or was he forced? If he was forced wouldn't more serious charges have been looked at?
Did Pennell know the other bloke had a knife and was intending to use it?

From what I've seen reported all we know is that he admitted to theft through the act of picking up the phone and money and keeping them. It could be that that was all he did and picking the stuff up was spur of the moment. Or it could be worse.

[Adrian]

What player ? I wouldn't be tolerant of that either. I'd have sacked Abu josh Scott Jamie guy Woodall partridge and labadie. Can't think who id excuse just cos they're a footballer. The game is full of wronguns and apologists like you. I'd sack them all.

Nosworthy.
Other than you saying footballers shouldn't be excused, has anyone on here ever suggested that they should be excused just because they're a footballer? I'm going to answer my own question and say, no, no-one has ever said that on here. It 's just one of those things you like to pretend is said.

Nobody has ever said it like that word for word Adrian,but people condone it and defend it and for me its the same thing.Re Josh Scott.....read the charges,the evidence and the outcome.You don't get bound over and pay a fine if you are without blame.Re Nosworthy I was truly unaware of any incidents,Im sure you are right and if so yes hes a wrongun as well.Merge...you've gone quiet by the way.

They don't condone or defend because they're footballers. That's just your stupid assumption. Personally I'd prefer that as a society we didn't write off young people that do stupid things once.
Josh Scott was cleared of assault. Beind bound over does not mean he committed assault.

If you were unaware of any incidents with Nosworthy, how did you manage to comment on it and act like it was a joke? Someone's a hypocrite.
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[DI Mike Dashwood]

Fair point Adrian, it doesn't say whether the fella with the knife was at the casino, so wrong assumption. I would still question why a young guy like Pennell has got himself into a situation like this, with someone who was carrying a knife (regardless of whether he was out with him at the casino at the start of the night).

By the way, I haven't said whether I believe the Club should "sack" him or not, I always think people deserve a second chance and don't know all the circumstances behind this one (as clearly demonstrated above)!!!

I do still tend to agree with Arnu that people tend to look at these differently when it is regarding a footballer and a footballer at their Club. If you were a member of the family of the victims in some of these incidents that are being discussed, I would imagine people may (depending on the circumstances) feel a bit differently about it.

[Adrian]

Fair point Adrian, it doesn't say whether the fella with the knife was at the casino, so wrong assumption. I would still question why a young guy like Pennell has got himself into a situation like this, with someone who was carrying a knife (regardless of whether he was out with him at the casino at the start of the night).

By the way, I haven't said whether I believe the Club should "sack" him or not, I always think people deserve a second chance and don't know all the circumstances behind this one (as clearly demonstrated above)!!!

I do still tend to agree with Arnu that people tend to look at these differently when it is regarding a footballer and a footballer at their Club. If you were a member of the family of the victims in some of these incidents that are being discussed, I would imagine people may (depending on the circumstances) feel a bit differently about it.

Of course people will look differently if they related to the victim - that's just human nature.
I think the only thing that really gets looked at differently when it's a footballer is that it get mentioned in the first place.
The other person got a longer sentence, but was barely mentioned in the first story linked here.
When Ogogo was done for assault (or whatever it was), there were two other people involved but the main report didn't mention what happened to them.

Instead of complaining that footballers don't act as the role models that some want them to be, maybe they should not be looked at as role models.

[ARNU]

Honestly forgot about the no's worthy incident which it seems was rather tame in comparison. People are people and will all be naughty at times. Depends on what's been done. Can we at least agree rape armed robbery , robbery murder drink driving theft and beating wives and girlfriends should be considered a good reason to terminate a players contract if found guilty ?

[Alan]

Agreed by me.

[NBDag]

I heard that the bloke with the knife was Tamplin. Apparently he needed the money so that he could afford to buy us.

[Adrian]

Honestly forgot about the no's worthy incident which it seems was rather tame in comparison. People are people and will all be naughty at times. Depends on what's been done. Can we at least agree rape armed robbery , robbery murder drink driving theft and beating wives and girlfriends should be considered a good reason to terminate a players contract if found guilty ?

I'd say each case should be looked at individually.
Why don't you mention assault? Surely that's worse than theft - except that you seemed happy to laugh at an incident of it in the past.

Are you also of the view that we shouldn't hire anyone with criminal records then?

[ARNU]

I'm just saying football protects and harbours some pretty unsavoury individuals. Yes assault is not acceptable. I felt the nosworthy thing was handbags can't really remember it tbh. Pre meditated crime is probably the line here. Someone attacks footballer , footballer retaliates fine. Footballers wife says something footballer dosent like and footballer kicks her head in and bottles her in the mush Dagenham sign him lol.

[ARNU]

I'm just saying football protects and harbours some pretty unsavoury individuals. Yes assault is not acceptable. I felt the nosworthy thing was handbags can't really remember it tbh. Pre meditated crime is probably the line here. Someone attacks footballer , footballer retaliates fine. Footballers wife says something footballer dosent like and footballer kicks her head in and bottles her in the mush Dagenham sign him seem OK to you ?

[Adrian]

I'm just saying football protects and harbours some pretty unsavoury individuals. Yes assault is not acceptable. I felt the nosworthy thing was handbags can't really remember it tbh. Pre meditated crime is probably the line here. Someone attacks footballer , footballer retaliates fine. Footballers wife says something footballer dosent like and footballer kicks her head in and bottles her in the mush Dagenham sign him lol.

Ah, so it's down to your interpretation if it's worth sacking someone then.
Nosworthy caused his victim a broken wrist, but you're happy to dismiss that as 'handbags'.

Are you of the view that we shouldn't hire people with criminal records?

[ARNU]

Your picking an argument here I don't think you can win. Each case should be taken on its own merit. I listed crimes above that I believe would make it difficult for normal folk to get employed indeed some of them you'd have to fess up to at interview. Do you want those types of people representing your company or in this case football team ? We do have employment law and the rehabilitation of offenders act to guide us . I believe football has a responsibility in society to demand a high standard of behaviour and morality from its players managers etc. It fails regularly and people condone it.